Interesting Star Wars article

[TariQari]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8003067.stm

[Darim Valen]

..that's a big step too far.

[Triso Telex]

Now I know where I must go to end the Jedi Flith.... I mean Great!

[TariQari]

lol I love the overly dramatic quote underneath Yoda's head "Jedi Knights such as Yoda use the Force to battle the evil Empire"

[Myith]

That is great lol.

[Verden Fel]

Wow. That's funny. And kind of wierd.

[Hodayc]

wow, is all i got to say.

[Tracyn]

Well it was bound to happen some time :P

[Markus Kimes]

What I wonder is how much longer will it take before being a "Jedi" will become an "official belief system?"

[Verden Fel]

What I wonder is how much longer will it take before being a "Jedi" will become an "official belief system?"

Hopefully a long time, because they aren't real.

[Tracyn]

It only takes a lot of people joining a cult for it to be "real"

[Rynech Viatl]

It only takes a lot of people joining a cult for it to be "real"

Just like how the alien overlord Zargblar deposited the alien ghosts into the center of the earth and we can join them in the center of the earth if we worship a 60 year old pedophile and drink some poisoned punch.

I love cults.

[Tracyn]

Don't forget about giving all your possessions away to that 60 year old pedophile :P

[Garden Skirata]

Yeah, there are both an official Jedi and Sith church in America, have been for years. People want something to believe in, who hasn't wanted to be a Jedi at some point in their life? Seems reasonable to me.

So long as they don't go knocking on the door of my "Church of Mandalore", I say live and let live.

[Rynech Viatl]

Yeah, there are both an official Jedi and Sith church in America, have been for years. People want something to believe in, who hasn't wanted to be a Jedi at some point in their life? Seems reasonable to me.

So long as they don't go knocking on the door of my "Church of Mandalore", I say live and let live.

Couldn't have said it better myself. There are plenty of people out there who consider me insane and demented for believing in God. Why rain on someone's parade, even if you don't believe in it?

[Markus Kimes]

haha. I'm right there with yah Verden Fel. Hopefully for a very long time.

[TariQari]

I think that when an official world wide census is completed and Jedi is listed as a religion people follow, then I think it automatically becomes an official religion.

[Verden Fel]

Couldn't have said it better myself. There are plenty of people out there who consider me insane and demented for believing in God. Why rain on someone's parade, even if you don't believe in it?

Yeah, I believe in God. However, I feel comfortable raining on someone's parade for saying a Jedi and a Sith church should exist because they are, very obviously, not real. People say that about Christiantity, too, but the thing is, Jedi and Sith are from a series of movies. If someone honestly believes that's real, they're seriously delusional. I did, when I was younger, want to be a Jedi. But I thought of it as a job, not a religon. Even in Star Wars it isn't considered to be a religon. There are certain parts of Jedi philosophy I agree with, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that just because I agree with them I follow Jedi philosophy as a religon.

[Aeridas Sia'ryd]

Even in Star Wars it isn't considered to be a religon. There are certain parts of Jedi philosophy I agree with, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that just because I agree with them I follow Jedi philosophy as a religon.

There is at least one occasion in the movies in which the Jedi philosophy was referred to as a religion, and in the KoTOR games the Jedi and Sith ways of life were referred to as religions quite a bit.

And you have to admit that some of the Jedi philosophies are just good for living your life by. *shrugs*

[Verden Fel]

There is at least one occasion in the movies in which the Jedi philosophy was referred to as a religion, and in the KoTOR games the Jedi and Sith ways of life were referred to as religions quite a bit.

And you have to admit that some of the Jedi philosophies are just good for living your life by. *shrugs*

The one time I think of (there may be more, but if there are, I don't remember them) is when a Moff calls the Force a silly old religon or something, and Vader chokes him. He said, if I remember correctly, that that person didn't understand the Force. I'm not sure about the KotOR games, though.

I do agree, some Jedi philosophies are good. Not so much with the Sith, though.

[Rasst Alckar]

There is at least one occasion in the movies in which the Jedi philosophy was referred to as a religion, and in the KoTOR games the Jedi and Sith ways of life were referred to as religions quite a bit.

And you have to admit that some of the Jedi philosophies are just good for living your life by. *shrugs*

I admit, the Jedi have a good way to live their lives, but abstinence... come on! I wanna get laid in my life time! :D

[Aeridas Sia'ryd]

I admit, the Jedi have a good way to live their lives, but abstinence... come on! I wanna get laid in my life time! :D

Well I wasn't saying you actually had to go out and follow those principles, merely just that some of them were actually worth living your life by. ;)

[TariQari]

Yeah, I believe in God. However, I feel comfortable raining on someone's parade for saying a Jedi and a Sith church should exist because they are, very obviously, not real. People say that about Christiantity, too, but the thing is, Jedi and Sith are from a series of movies. If someone honestly believes that's real, they're seriously delusional. I did, when I was younger, want to be a Jedi. But I thought of it as a job, not a religon. Even in Star Wars it isn't considered to be a religon. There are certain parts of Jedi philosophy I agree with, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that just because I agree with them I follow Jedi philosophy as a religon.

As long as they don't declare war on the world and kill innocent people, then I'm ok with it :D

[TariQari]

The one time I think of (there may be more, but if there are, I don't remember them) is when a Moff calls the Force a silly old religon or something, and Vader chokes him. He said, if I remember correctly, that that person didn't understand the Force. I'm not sure about the KotOR games, though.

I do agree, some Jedi philosophies are good. Not so much with the Sith, though.

The Sith could never exist in real time because they aren't compatible with reality. Every human being has at least an ounce of compassion while the Sith have non. I'm sure the Sith would have probably said something like "Compassion is for the weak!" or some garbage like that.

[Markus Kimes]

There is one thing that these STAR WARS faith followers are missing...THE FORCE!!! Without the force they can't be Jedi or Sith! And the Force DOESN'T EXIST!!!!!!!!!!

[Verden Fel]

The Sith could never exist in real time because they aren't compatible with reality. Every human being has at least an ounce of compassion while the Sith have non. I'm sure the Sith would have probably said something like "Compassion is for the weak!" or some garbage like that.

Not true. For some people I find it very hard to believe that they have compassion. And not all the Sith are the same. Tyranous, for example, had a good reason to become a Sith, in my opinion. He had a sense of honor, which implies an ounce of compassion.

There is one thing that these STAR WARS faith followers are missing...THE FORCE!!! Without the force they can't be Jedi or Sith! And the Force DOESN'T EXIST!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent point.

[TariQari]

Not true. For some people I find it very hard to believe that they have compassion. And not all the Sith are the same. Tyranous, for example, had a good reason to become a Sith, in my opinion. He had a sense of honor, which implies an ounce of compassion.

Well actually it is true. From the moment we are born we are compassionate. We already have a biological bond with our parents, whether they are there for us or not. The first time a human does something bad they feel emotions of what they did. Compassion is just another way to describe emotions and mixed feelings about something. Since all of us (humans) have emotions, then it must be said that we also have compassion, whether or not we use it.

Excellent point.

I disagree with you again :D

The "Force" as we see it in the prequels may not exist but I believe much of the Original Trilogy Force is much alive today, metaphorically speaking.

[Rynech Viatl]

I disagree with you again :D

The "Force" as we see it in the prequels may not exist but I believe much of the Original Trilogy Force is much alive today, metaphorically speaking.

Well, that depends on your point of view.

*snickers at own Ben Kenobi reference*

[Verden Fel]

Well actually it is true. From the moment we are born we are compassionate. We already have a biological bond with our parents, whether they are there for us or not. The first time a human does something bad they feel emotions of what they did. Compassion is just another way to describe emotions and mixed feelings about something. Since all of us (humans) have emotions, then it must be said that we also have compassion, whether or not we use it.

Ok, fine, we all have compassion. But that's not the point. I find it hard to believe that everyone feels compassion after a certain point.

I disagree with you again :D

The "Force" as we see it in the prequels may not exist but I believe much of the Original Trilogy Force is much alive today, metaphorically speaking.

Well, if you ever find this, let me know.

"It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together."

Metaphorically or not, the Force does not exist in reality.

[TariQari]

Ok, fine, we all have compassion. But that's not the point. I find it hard to believe that everyone feels compassion after a certain point.



Well, if you ever find this, let me know.



Metaphorically or not, the Force does not exist in reality.

Oh come on, tell me you never thought about gripping someone and it happened :P

In all seriousness, it at least exists metaphorically, like Rynech said depending on viewpoints. But then again, all life is are viewpoints.

[TariQari]

Ok, fine, we all have compassion. But that's not the point. I find it hard to believe that everyone feels compassion after a certain point.

I think this is true. Besides, I believe people have compassion throughout their life. Whether or not they act it out for the others to see is yet to be said.

[Verden Fel]

Oh come on, tell me you never thought about gripping someone and it happened :P

In all seriousness, it at least exists metaphorically, like Rynech said depending on viewpoints. But then again, all life is are viewpoints.

Well, if you believe that the Force exists, I can't stop you. Good luck doing something with it, though, because if you ask people, the vast majority would say it does not exist.

I think this is true. Besides, I believe people have compassion throughout their life. Whether or not they act it out for the others to see is yet to be said.

So who did Hitler or Stalin have compassion for?

[Markus Kimes]

Oh come on, tell me you never thought about gripping someone and it happened :P

In all seriousness, it at least exists metaphorically, like Rynech said depending on viewpoints. But then again, all life is are viewpoints.

Not gonna lie, I tried force chocking someone when I was around 8 years old and I made myself look like a complete idiot. However if you ever manage to find this "force" of which you speak then let me on the secret :D. I too, like Fel, thought that being a Jedi though was more like a job rather than a belief system. It just amusses me how far certain people will go...

[Markus Kimes]

"So who did Hitler or Stalin have compassion for?"

The way I see it...no one. However, Hitler idolized Benito, but that's not an acception.

[Verden Fel]

"So who did Hitler or Stalin have compassion for?"

The way I see it...no one. However, Hitler idolized Benito, but that's not an acception.

Precisely. Though everyone is capable of feeling compassion, and probably did at some point in their childhood at least, not everyone does in the long run.

[Garden Skirata]

I think this is true. Besides, I believe people have compassion throughout their life. Whether or not they act it out for the others to see is yet to be said.

Actually, sociopaths are completely incapable of feeling compasion for others. This, combined with the fact that one can create a sociopath by separating a child from his parents at the right point in his youth (called separation disorder) and you have a recipe for an entire culture incapable of feelings compassion for others. Then, consider the fact that the Sith culture attracts antisocial people (another name for sociopathy is "antisocial personality disorder") and you see why many who join later in their lives still fall into this definition.

As for "the force", one should consider that the entire Jedi philosophy is derived from Eastern spiritual influences and you can find a good argument for "the force" actually existing. On earth it would be called Chi, or Ki and the jedi would follow a very Taoist doctrine. Chi energy has been documented in Eastern science and some Western studies, so it does in fact exist. (in fact, one deffinition of chi could very well be summed up as "it surrounds us, penetrates us and binds the galaxy together") That these people are following an age old (and when speaking of Chinese influenced spiritualism as we taling AGE OLD) spiritual belief structure under a different name should not invalidate their faith.

Now it may seem laughable that they are following the belief under the term "Jedi" and "Force", but these are the ideas which spoke to them - there are Christian faiths which use some different basic definitions as well, but the message is the same.

If a man (or woman) came to me and claimed to be a Jedi I would be less inclined to ask for a proof of their telekinetic powers than a demonstration of their faith in the tenants. (one might also consider that while millions of people believe in and follow Christianity, only a handful have ever been able to perform miracles)

[Verden Fel]

My main issue is, whether Chi exists or not, there isn't something that allows you to telekinetically move objects, so at the very least it's very different from the Force in Star Wars.

[TariQari]

Well, if you believe that the Force exists, I can't stop you. Good luck doing something with it, though, because if you ask people, the vast majority would say it does not exist.

Many elements of the force exists. The spreading of peace and justice is one such element. Now about shooting lightning from your fingers, I have no idea if this is logically possible at ALL. Some people claim they have telekinetic powers but I've never seen it personally. However, I have experienced unexplained phenomena before. And experiencing visions may actually be the most common form of experience.

So who did Hitler or Stalin have compassion for?

Well possibly their families and maybe their countries which they claimed in their propaganda. Obviously they ranked very low on the "compassion" scale.

[TariQari]

My main issue is, whether Chi exists or not, there isn't something that allows you to telekinetically move objects, so at the very least it's very different from the Force in Star Wars.

The Force isn't just about moving objects with your mind. Actually it has nothing to do with it at all. It is the connection of your spiritual being with your inner self.

In the NJO books, I recall some Jedi that was unable to move objects with the "force" or do any of that kind of stuff. But I think he could still feel the "force" somehow. Don't quote me on this because I vaguely remember it. The force as it exists in George Lucas's mind is the representation of belief in a higher being which controls our destiny. I believe it is as simple as that.

[Markus Kimes]

The Force isn't just about moving objects with your mind. Actually it has nothing to do with it at all. It is the connection of your spiritual being with your inner self.

In the NJO books, I recall some Jedi that was unable to move objects with the "force" or do any of that kind of stuff. But I think he could still feel the "force" somehow. Don't quote me on this because I vaguely remember it. The force as it exists in George Lucas's mind is the representation of belief in a higher being which controls our destiny. I believe it is as simple as that.

You bring up a good point, however I am 100% sure people can't force choke/push/pull other people, or can't use sith lightining and electricute people to death.

[TariQari]

You bring up a good point, however I am 100% sure people can't force choke/push/pull other people, or can't use sith lightining and electricute people to death.

Maybe, maybe. And I am 100% sure that I've never witnessed such acts but I can't claim if it is possible or not.

[Verden Fel]

The person you're thinking of is probably Corran Horn. He and the entire Halcyon line had trouble with telekinesis for an inexplicable reason, but they could do everything else just fine.

Saying the Force exists because people try to spread justice and peace doesn't work. Justice and peace have been around far longer than the idea of the Force.

Scientifically speaking, it is imposible to move objects or shoot lightning with only your mind. Everyone who claimed to be able to do it was faking it somehow, usually with really thin wires to simulate telekinesis.

"The force as it exists in George Lucas's mind is the representation of belief in a higher being which controls our destiny. I believe it is as simple as that." So George Lucas dictates what the Force really is. Therefore, it doesn't exist in real life, because he does not believe it does.

[TariQari]

The person you're thinking of is probably Corran Horn. He and the entire Halcyon line had trouble with telekinesis for an inexplicable reason, but they could do everything else just fine.

Saying the Force exists because people try to spread justice and peace doesn't work. Justice and peace have been around far longer than the idea of the Force.

Scientifically speaking, it is imposible to move objects or shoot lightning with only your mind. Everyone who claimed to be able to do it was faking it somehow, usually with really thin wires to simulate telekinesis.

"The force as it exists in George Lucas's mind is the representation of belief in a higher being which controls our destiny. I believe it is as simple as that." So George Lucas dictates what the Force really is. Therefore, it doesn't exist in real life, because he does not believe it does.

Yes but the concept does exist. I'm talking beyond moving objects. Again I don't believe that it represents moving objects at all. It represents belief and faith. Besides, as far as Humans go, existiance is what we perceive to be physical or imaginary. Star Wars (in the story sense) is imaginary. But the Force as a concept is physically real regardless of whatever Human beings call it. I'm talking in a general sense of things.

[TariQari]

Oh yeah, and it was Corran Horn. Thanks.

[Verden Fel]

So you're saying that since the Force is an idea, then it exists.

[Markus Kimes]

"The force as it exists in George Lucas's mind is the representation of belief in a higher being which controls our destiny. I believe it is as simple as that." So George Lucas dictates what the Force really is. Therefore, it doesn't exist in real life, because he does not believe it does.

Exactly! The force is just something that Goerge Lucas made up that he himself believes doesn't even exist. Thes Jedi and Sith cult followers are following something entirely fiction based off of movies, video games and books.

[Aeridas Sia'ryd]

So you're saying that since the Force is an idea, then it exists.

I think that what he is saying is that though it may be a physical impossibility it is the principle of the Force, the driving ideas behind it, which is the point of its existence. The faith and understanding that comes from the belief of such a thing can bring peace to an individual. It is why religion, as a whole, exists.

[Rynech Viatl]

I think that what he is saying is that though it may be a physical impossibility it is the principle of the Force, the driving ideas behind it, which is the point of its existence. The faith and understanding that comes from the belief of such a thing can bring peace to an individual. It is why religion, as a whole, exists.

This. Also, you know how the Jedi always preach that it is far easier to fall to the Dark Side than it is to follow the path of the Light?

I oftentimes find it is far easier to be a dick to people who annoy me than to be nice to them. Coincidence? I think not.

[Verden Fel]

So basically, because the Jedi preach good philosophy, it exists?

[Rynech Viatl]

So basically, because the Jedi preach good philosophy, it exists?

No, I was making a joke, because I go into a nervous breakdown any time I read a serious philosophical conversation without some dude ruining it with a dumb joke. (That's another joke, by the way.)

I'm a firm believer in the fact that the Force doesn't exist, seeing as how Lucas made it mostly so that he could have characters in his movies that can use telekinesis and shoot lightning from their fingers. Then again, I'm not in any position to judge, seeing as how my religion doesn't really sound much more sane than the Force, other than the fact that Lucas made it up, and he himself knows it doesn't exist.

But who knows? Perhaps the Bible was made by some dude a long time ago as a good story, and it was believed. That's not what I think, as I believe in God, but we don't really know for absolute damn sure, do we?

That's what faith's all about I guess. Believing without needing proof.

OH GAWD LOOK WHAT YOU PEOPLE DID TO ME! YOU MADE ME HAVE A SERIOUS DISCUSSION!

[Jak Covell]

As a Jedi I can say that the true force will Blow your ****ing mind but if you want a Jedi religion without having to punish yourself for believing in it try Shintoism or maybe even New Age confucianism, hell most religions are good. Thats why I enjoy mixing religions, they all have something to offer.;)

[TariQari]

The bottom line point I am trying to make is: The Force as George Lucas envisioned it probably does not exist, but philosophically it does and many major religions prove this. The Force is an idea...it is not even a theory, its just a point of view someone had (George Lucas) about how the universe *might* work. It can't really be proved, but then again most things life can't be proved or can only be proved so far. I personally do not believe in it, but that doesn't mean I will oppose others who do. As long as no harm or sick acts occur because of it then I am fine with it.

[TariQari]

[QUOTE=Rynech Viatl;9631
That's what faith's all about I guess. Believing without needing proof.
[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And I also believe thats what life is all about, having faith in something. I'm sure some might not see it that way but that's how it is to me.

[Markus Kimes]

So basically, because the Jedi preach good philosophy, it exists?

Hahaha! That's just like saying if anyone were to preach their beliefs then it would be true. There is no way the Force exists because it was all just created by George Lucas. Although there might be similar elements "The Force" is entirely made up of Lucas' beliefs and I believe that even he himself claims that it doesn't exist.

[Aeridas Sia'ryd]

Basically:

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.

That is the philosophy of the Jedi, the mantra they are supposed to live by. You can live by every single one of those except for the last one, but even then you just replace "the Force" with whatever you think will happen after death, whether that be heaven or reincarnation or eternal sleep. In the end, you can live your life by the Jedi Code... successfully and without the Force.

[Verden Fel]

Basically:

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.

That is the philosophy of the Jedi, the mantra they are supposed to live by. You can live by every single one of those except for the last one, but even then you just replace "the Force" with whatever you think will happen after death, whether that be heaven or reincarnation or eternal sleep. In the end, you can live your life by the Jedi Code... successfully and without the Force.

A lot of people would have trouble living without emotion or passion. Even more would have trouble with the ignorance part.

[Aeridas Sia'ryd]

A lot of people would have trouble living without emotion or passion. Even more would have trouble with the ignorance part.

Yeah, I know I couldn't do it. But I was just trying to point out how, it is possible to follow the code without the existence of the force. *shrugs*

[Verden Fel]

Yeah, I know I couldn't do it. But I was just trying to point out how, it is possible to follow the code without the existence of the force. *shrugs*

You have a point, I guess. You can follow the code, even without the Force.

[Gilamar]

i love how much love this thread is getting :o

[Gilamar]

i wonder how many pages this will get before it dies.

[Verden Fel]

i wonder how many pages this will get before it dies.

Well, it was dead, right up until you posted in it again. It's like Darth Sion... It keeps coming back.

[Rynech Viatl]

By posting in this thread to say that it is dead, you've brought it back to life. Congratulations!

[Aeridas Sia'ryd]

Zombie thread eh?

*readies shotgun*

[TariQari]

I say we nuke the entire planet then there will be peace! (Obviously I am joking...)

[Verden Fel]

I say we nuke the entire planet then there will be peace! (Obviously I am joking...)

But then I'd never get to play TOR!

[A'den Kyr'amur]

You know... I actually thought that out once. The conclusion that I came up with is that in order to "give the planet back to nature" and all that hippy bullshit, we would need to come up with some kind of poison or plague that only kills humans, because nuking the planet would wipe out all wildlife also. But then again what if some humans survive in some underground vault?

[Verden Fel]

You know... I actually thought that out once. The conclusion that I came up with is that in order to "give the planet back to nature" and all that hippy bullshit, we would need to come up with some kind of poison or plague that only kills humans, because nuking the planet would wipe out all wildlife also. But then again what if some humans survive in some underground vault?

Theoretically, that could work, but with a plague that powerful, if it somehow got transmitted to an animal (like bird flu) or mutated in the wrong way, which is likely considering how many of the virus/bacteria there would be going around, all animals (or at least most) would die. Yeah, that's all one long sentence.

[TariQari]

Yeah, nukes would ultimately screw the planet for a loooong time. At least a long time to human time. I think most creatures would die and new ones would evolve out of it...maybe. Obviously none of us would be around to prove it possible.

[Garden Skirata]

Theoretically, that could work, but with a plague that powerful, if it somehow got transmitted to an animal (like bird flu)

It is incredibly rare to find a sickness that can be transmitted between animals and people, which is why it's such a big deal when it happens. Look at the Black Plague, killed half of europe and still didn't wipe out the animal population. (the plague was transmitted by fleas on rats ... unlike animals, [usually] some insects can act as disease carriers)

You've got to remember that, in the grand scheme of things, humans have not been around very long. It is likely, unless we advance far enough medically, that we will eventually be wiped out like so many species before us. In fact, theoretically, the act of advancing far enough to avoid that possibility would likely change the deffinition of what we are ... making us no longer "human" in the way we understand that term today.

And, for all the ill people like to lay at the feet of humanity, we have not, nor likely ever could, do as much damage as the natural disasters which preceded us. For as much as we like to stroke our own egos, life is a very difficult thing to destroy completely and I doubt we have the means to accomplish it today. (at least not accidentally ... and even purposefully we'd have our work cut out for us)

That, of course, doesn't mean we aren't harming and changing our environment ... but that is the nature of life.

And, on the other side of all this, you forget how much we have to be proud of as well. The amazing pieces of art, archetecture, music, poetry, literature ... look at the Cathedrals, Mosques, and similar structures ... look at the Pyramids, the Parthenon, most of the greco-roman archetecture. Read the great plays and epics ... hell, listen to someone play the harp ...

It would take a really jaded - and honestly, ignorant - person to believe we hadn't made the world better through these creations ...

Yes, mankind leaves huge footprints, but we aslo leave more than just destruction in our wake.

[Verden Fel]

You said that diseases that can be transmitted and infect both humans and animals are rare. That is true, but as I said, this diesease, theoretically, would infect every human in the planet. That's at least 5 billion people. You can't promise that somewhere along the line, it won't mutate, or get a series of mutations, that allows it to infect animals. It's happened before. Isn't that the theory of evolution - that things evolve over time to survive, and that sometimes they get a series of helpful mutations rather than hurtful ones.

With humans gone, what would happen to animals? Sure, a ton would survive, but there are a lot that are dependent on us in some way.

Aside from the religous perspective, I also don't think there's any reason to believe that humanity will ever be wiped out. Most of the species that were wiped out were killed either by a disaster (and there aren't that many posible disasters that coyld destroy all of humanity, and we'd be pretty good at stopping or containing some of them) or were killed by humans themselves. I don't think we're going to destroy each other.

From an environemental perspective, most of the reasons we damage the environment are related to energy. Once they create a successful fusion generator, those problems will theoretically cease.

I don't think anyone here actually wants to destroy humanity. It's an entirely hypothetical situation.

[Markus Kimes]

You said that diseases that can be transmitted and infect both humans and animals are rare. That is true, but as I said, this diesease, theoretically, would infect every human in the planet. That's at least 5 billion people. You can't promise that somewhere along the line, it won't mutate, or get a series of mutations, that allows it to infect animals. It's happened before. Isn't that the theory of evolution - that things evolve over time to survive, and that sometimes they get a series of helpful mutations rather than hurtful ones.

With humans gone, what would happen to animals? Sure, a ton would survive, but there are a lot that are dependent on us in some way.

Aside from the religous perspective, I also don't think there's any reason to believe that humanity will ever be wiped out. Most of the species that were wiped out were killed either by a disaster (and there aren't that many posible disasters that coyld destroy all of humanity, and we'd be pretty good at stopping or containing some of them) or were killed by humans themselves. I don't think we're going to destroy each other.

From an environemental perspective, most of the reasons we damage the environment are related to energy. Once they create a successful fusion generator, those problems will theoretically cease.

I don't think anyone here actually wants to destroy humanity. It's an entirely hypothetical situation.

The SWINE FLU will kill us all!!! Run for your lives!!!

[Verden Fel]

The SWINE FLU will kill us all!!! Run for your lives!!!

It kills less than 5% of those it infects. It's just like the normal flu - you're only at risk if your really young or really old (except for a few rare cases).

[Rynech Viatl]

It kills less than 5% of those it infects. It's just like the normal flu - you're only at risk if your really young or really old (except for a few rare cases).

OMG YOU'VE BEEN INFECTED WITH CAN'T-RECOGNIZE-A-JOKE FLU!

[Verden Fel]

OMG YOU'VE BEEN INFECTED WITH CAN'T-RECOGNIZE-A-JOKE FLU!

I seem to get that one a lot, actually.